2015 Mustang vs. 2007 Mustang: How Much Better Is It Really?

"Torque Affair" (torqueaffair)
03/08/2015 at 13:27 • Filed to: MUSTANG

I wanted to find out for myself: how much has the new Mustang improved over the past 8 years?

I have owned my 2007 Mustang GT for so long now - 8 years actually - that I know this car inside out and I really hate it.

You might be thinking... who owns a Mustang for 8 years??

Good question.

Honestly, I don't hate the car as much as I'm just sick of driving it. I mean - 8 years is a really long time. Think about it. So much stuff happens in 8 years: you can go through several spouses, jobs, houses, cars, etc. You can even declare bankruptcy and start all over!

So, then, why do I still own it?

The reason I haven't been able to sell the car in all my years of ownership is because I bought the car brand new and could never quite get myself to take the sizable hit in deprecation.

I dug the hole even deeper when I started modifying the car because not only would I not get my money back, I lowered the value of the car as well. No one would appreciate my carefully thought out, strategic modifications to the car designed to make it better!

So, here we are 8 years later. I think I have gotten enough value out of it - I'm tired of it and it is finally time for something different.

After reading all the amazing things about the all new 2015 Mustang, I figured...hmm, could the reborn Mustang sway me to purchase another Mustang after owning one for so long?

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I just couldn't make up mind on how I felt about the looks. I thought I liked the styling and overall look initially but somehow the more I looked at it the more awkward the front-end seemed to appear...and the rear-end as well. What do you think?

I kept wandering around the parking lot looking at all the Mustangs lined up next to each other and then after a while they all started to blend together making me think that I was standing in the middle of a rental car lot .

Actually the rental lot is probably already full of these Mustangs already.

And as usual, Ford makes some of the worst-looking factory wheels on high performance cars built today. They are just so ugly. Wheels can make such an enormous difference in the way a car looks and I don't know why Ford hasn't done a better job here.

That being said, I did actually like the wheels on this one.

This one I chose to drove was fully loaded and replete with buttons. There was so much stuff on this thing that it was worth around $45K! That is entirely too much money to pay for a Mustang.

By comparison I paid around $24K (excluding taxes, fees etc.) for my Mustang which was fully loaded with a 6-disc CD changer and leather seats which was was about as much as you could get.

Even after accounting for inflation, $45K pushes the Mustang into Lexus, BMW, Acura territory but I'm not sure that is a good idea. I doubt that the person who just got a job working in the Walmart finance department getting paid 6-figures a year would look at a $43K Mustang and think... hmm, this is the car I want to represent my position in life.

Let's face it - cars are a status symbol. The Mustangs are not status symbols and in that price range people generally buy cars that represent some level of prestige and achievement in life. Perhaps Ford is trying to rebrand itself and turn the Mustang into a status symbol - hey, it might actually work at some point!

Starting the car up

Wait..was I in the V8 version? I could barely hear the engine. Perhaps this was the EcoBoost?

Nope - this was the humongous 5.0L V8 gently idling away under the long hood that was almost inaudible from inside the car. I was so disappointed.

Take a look at this monster.

The growling exhaust is a huge part of the appeal of buying a car like the Mustang in the first place - the fact that you can step on it and immediately become enveloped in the rumbling of the V8.

A simple exhaust modification means that you will be waking up your neighbor every morning when you start your car up but secretly you love it because she annoys the hell out of you because her dog poops on your front yard.

However, my disappointment with the exhaust soon faded as I started driving. I was instantly impressed with how the car handled.

Finally this car can turn!

I'm used to a solid live rear axle so every bump on the road means that I basically bounce around. Handling my car around turns is pitiful: in the rain or icy conditions driving this thing is a nightmare . I don't even want to go into how tricky it was piloting this unruly animal around a track ( I spun out a few times ).

Thankfully, the independent rear suspension made going over bumps and taking hard turns a much better experience. I imagine driving the new Mustang on the track is a much better experience.

So many electronics

There was a back-up camera, heated seats, dual climate control, phone-syncing, teleportation, invisible force field — the works . Unfortunately the main dash screen had really basic graphics and wasn't very intuitive to use. It seemed like the folks at Ford just didn't put a whole lot effort into making the thing look and feel sophisticated and easy-to-use.

The interior looks much better but the quality of the materials still feel cheap when you start playing with things.

And trust me when I say this: these buttons will mostly definitely break off. Things will start to fall apart in this car , just like it did on mine. When you operate them, you realize that they're nothing more than really flimsy plastic.

And the one thing that I hate on my car is still happening on this one! The hood visibly flutters around at highway speed. They didn't fix it! Did no one at Ford figure this out in a wind tunnel?

Come on people!

So is it a terrible car?

Absolutely not. It's great. The 435 hp 5.0L V8 is immensely quick with 400 lb-ft of torque and the power delivery is incredibly smooth. Unfortunately, I couldn't experience much of it on the wet roads but at least I walked away knowing the capability of this monster.

There are definite improvements but it still felt quite a bit like what I currently drive which is just a much older, tired, worn out and less sophisticated version of the 2015 pony. You could say it's like comparing an iPhone 6 to an iPhone 3 - numerous upgrades and such - but it's essentially the same thing.

I remember what my car felt like when it was brand new and it was quite fantastic. And this one felt very similar. There is not a revolutionary difference in the way the car feels and drives. Sure, the independent rear suspension is great, but it's still a Mustang at the end of the day which is not necessarily a bad thing but it didn't provide me with anything new in terms of a " daily-driving " experience.

You have more buttons and things to play with but that just means there are more things that can break that will cost you money down the road.

There is even a vehicle health report in the car that can be transmitted back to your dealer. After the warranty's over, just ignore that thing. You probably wouldn't want to pay whatever Ford would charge to fix your car that has almost as much technology as a Mercedes.

On the 2015 Mustang you have 4 different suspension options and 3 different steering wheel settings.

All this on a Mustang?? But why?

The kind of fancy stuff that will potentially create a headache for you in a BMW or a Mercedes is now present in a Mustang! The Mustang is now competing in a market where virtually nobody will pay $45K for a Mustang.

I would recommend buying the 2015 Mustang without all the features. One of the benefits of owning a car like the Mustang is that parts are cheap and the car is relatively inexpensive to maintain. The fancy electronics are the first thing to break (I would know, because the most advanced feature on my car which is the power lumbar support broke a couple years ago).

I think the non-loaded GT costs around $32K which is much more reasonable.

The EcoBoost version is still probably about as fast as my V8 Mustang and should be plenty good enough for most folks. Unless you really want a bunch of electronics, avoid them. They are not all that great and will only add to reliability issues if you plan on keeping the car for a while.

The new 2015 Mustang GT is a wonderful car but just don't pay $45K for it! Or better yet, get a much cheaper Mustang that's a few years older and turn it into whatever you want it to be.

Ultimately, that is the biggest benefit of buying Mustang. It is so easily customizable that you can actually be driving one of the fastest cars on the road for not that much money.

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DISCUSSION (100)

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 13:43

Couple thoughts for you, good write up btw.

I actually like most of the wheels, except that first up one in the line up pic

My Ford Touch - big upgrade for that soon check it out:

http://www.ford.com/technology/syn…

(god I hope it works lol)

If you don't like the sound of the V8, don't ever, ever listen to the ecoboost. It sounds terrible.

It may have been that I pulled up next to it in the 68 Montego (5.0 V8 with dual flowmaster super 44's) but I thought it sounded horrendous, to the point where I'd buy the V6 over it because I'd be ashamed of the exhaust note.

McChiken116 - Patrick H. > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 13:46

So, I agree with most of what you say, but I have to say, I wonder if your hood wasn't latched all the way. On the ecoboost I drove, the hood was well, a hood. I do like the looks far more than you do, but I can see how polarizing it is. I think a loaded ecoboost, and then taking it to COBB here in Austin would be the best way to do things

TopSirloin > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 13:49

Great write up! You're totally right about a $45k Mustang. A redneck in a $1000 suit is still a redneck. It kind of bums me out that a loaded V8 'Stang is so dang expensive. Should a Mustang ever cost 45 grand? I don't think so. That's a league the Mustang shouldn't be playing in. That interior looks really classy though, I've got to say. my inner child loves those four switch buttons next to the button starter...

I was really not a fan of the 08' Mustang aesthetically. So choppy and rigid. The new one looks great.. low roof line, high belt line, and an aggressive front end. The rear is kind of busy, and the hood a hair or five long, but looks like a pretty sweet package. I need some coytote 5.0 in my life.

JCAlan > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:05

Kinja'd!!!

First thought....AWESOME toggle switches. Next thought...oh those look like plastic and no doubt feel cheap and the color will probably rub off instantly. How's the shifter?

RedPir8Roberts > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:17

Very well written. I was wondering myself how much a difference there was between the 2015s and 2016s. The 2007 redesign still looks great, the facelifted model was a step backwards IMO, both front and back but especially the back. The vertical rear of the 2007 version is clean, whereas the rear of the redesigned car was reminiscent of what happened between the 1969 and 1970 model years—change for change's sake (including canting the tail forward), and not for the better. I think the tail has been cleaned up and looks better in the 2016 than the car it replaces, and combined with the flow of the fastback roofline is a little more successful than the front, which looks a bit nose-heavy now. I walked around the Ford dealer not long ago, and I have some sticker shock as well, not just for the Mustangs but for the whole lineup. By the way I had a 1968 Mustang for about 10 years (end of high school through grad school) and its replacement, a 1990 GT convertible, for a further 10 years or so. And there's an original owner 1965 featured on Bringatrailer right now. I hope you're wrong about all the electronic gizmos breaking down, because one of the beauties of the Mustang has been its reliability. The "suspension settings" bit is particularly worrisome, but I'm sure it won't be as costly to fix / replace as something like Porsche's PASM or Jaguar's adaptive suspension on the F-Type. Avoiding a future, costly headache is one of the few reasons other than initial cost why I would consider the base F-Type if I were buying (as I hope to one day be); another would be that at some point, adaptive tech is robbing you of some of the experience of driving; the car is deciding how to settle the wheels in a corner, and you can't guess how much of the apex you clipped was you and how much the car. Similarly, the fake engine noise thing (in the Ecoboost) is not how they should go in the GT, the "sound tube" thing from the last gen was a decent solution, and should maybe be an option if it's not loud enough now. The demand for constant updating of computers and phones has bled over into cars, and updates and tech have to be added just to keep up with other companies. At least there isn't a super-sized Mustang 2016S. Though a shooting brake version limited edition would be pretty sweet.

fordy875 > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:34

I just drove an ecoboost yesterday. And while its still a mustang it is still a much nicer experience than the older car. It felt tighter, lighter, more composed. Not just a hulking car with no balance. I'm not so sure on the ecoboost yet, but it certainly felt lighter and was fairly quick. I'll take your wheel comment with a grain of salt, as I'd never pick the ones on your 07. Good review though!

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:40

Have to disagree here a little. Tons of middle-aged men (and women) wanted Mustangs as kids, and now they are old and successful, and by god they are going to have a Mustang. Some of them get old ones, but some of them will buy the $40k Mustang GT Premium bells-and-whisltes convertible. I will say that I don't see them being very popular, but as a second-or-third car toy, I can see them selling.

citizennick > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:40

I've been wanting a 2015 Mustang for awhile but I keep reminding myself that the new Camaro on the Alpha platform is just around the corner.

Boss2452stolemylunchmoney > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:44

That's even more expensive than my Boss... And most likely no faster.

Six on The Knee > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:47

I really think you should test out some Camaro's and Challenger's next

Millertyme > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:48

"Handling my car around turns is pitiful: in the rain or icy conditions driving this thing is a nightmare ."

You should try driving my 1987 k5 Blazer on Alaskan roads with ice and snow everywhere. Well normally everywhere, but this winter has been abnormally mild.

Andrew Daisuke > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:50

Kinja'd!!!

Which is which?

Tim (Fractal Footwork) > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:54

Try out a Genesis before you go off and buy an American muscle car. I love mine, and I feel like its not going to fall apart as easily as the Mustangs I've been in. The Genesis doesn't have the crazy horsepower figures of the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger V8s, but its all useable from Hyundai's (best in class from what I can see) V6.

However, the new mustang looks absolutely gorgeous, real presence; trying to get my dad into one. He's looking at the V6 manual (not many around).

Bomtrombone > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:54

Kinja'd!!!

Snap this one off and paint the rest black then cover all the windows in tinfoil and you've got the coveted Trailer-Park Mod

R W > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:55

I doubt that the person who just got a job working in the Walmart finance department getting paid 6-figures a year would look at a $43K Mustang and think... hmm, this is the car I want to represent my position in life.

i suppose it depends on your position in life.

if you are 40 and balding when you break 6 figures, probably not.

if you are in your 20s...

John > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:55

Here is a great mustang database website. I usually go on it when I wanna compare random pointless things. Enjoy!

Sheriff Of American Douchetown > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:56

Fantastic write-up. I love articles like this, especially with real shots of the exterior and interior and not this fucking professional lighting bullshit that makes it look better than it really is.

I could never spend that much for a Mustang. I think you really have to love a Mustang to spend that much. I'm a self-professed Camaro fan but even I can't see spending that much for a Camaro. I guess I don't love it as much as some.

fdomestic > Boss2452stolemylunchmoney
03/08/2015 at 14:56

I'd rather have the boss. The only Mustang I've actually lusted over

gergey - Wishes vette was Datsun > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:56

And the one thing that I hate on my car is still happening on this one! The hood visibly flutters around at highway speed.

They didn't fix it! Did no one at Ford figure this out in a wind tunnel?

'05 350Z here, and mine does the same thing! Not just Ford

R W > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:57

it seems that your problem with this car is you thought you would be making more money by now.

Voodoo-u > TopSirloin
03/08/2015 at 14:58

Actually, the Mustang can play at the $45k market, because there is fuckall in that bracket that is actually worth driving.

NJAnon > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 14:59

Torqueaffair don't be too dark on your car. Perceptions are still perceptions. An assembled car is still a massive undertaking.

I know of "ordered" Mustangs that owners will get that get near $40,000 and they love the experience of being in a mustang car club and the car they've personalized. And they have taken care of the plastic buttons and made part/piece replacements when needed.

MrPrevention > TopSirloin
03/08/2015 at 14:59

perfect evaluation. Similarly my good friend recently was shopping for one and asked my advice... He was telling me that he couldn't fathom the 25k I spent on my fr-s when a v6 mustang was nearly the same price. I told him it was a case of two different ways to spend money, quality vs quantity. I also said that nearly every v6 mustang is a glaring admission that you didn't have enough to buy the v8. He agreed to that.

But a week later he got a deal on a v8 premium for 32.5k and I admitted that while I'm not a mustang guy by nature, I can imagine a better way to spend 33k.

/drivemyjalopintopgear > JCAlan
03/08/2015 at 15:02

Perfect placement of the hazard switch, right next to the traction control ;) vrroom errrt crunch.

Darigaaz > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:02

It's not even a contest, the 2007 Mustang looks like a piece of shit with an engine to match.

Voodoo-u > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:03

You lost me when you thought $45k was too much for a fully loaded, every option box ticked, Mustang GT Premium.

There is fuck all in the $45k bracket I would pay money for brand new other than this. German has nothing worthwhile in there. Neither does Japan. The Camaro SS is about the same price loaded, and I would take the Mustang.

I mean, whatever floats your boat, but I would slap down $45k for that GT long before I would ever even look at anything from BMW.

Besides which, if you're that disappointed in the cost, go buy an Ecoboost Premium for $10k less and then chip it. It'll still smoke Germany but not cost as much to do so.

TimeOnTarget > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:05

Kinja'd!!!

When I bought my 05 mustang in Germany, the first thing I did was write a letter to ford. to wit: the gas tank wouldn't fill, there's a blind spot the size of a house on the driver side, the cup holder holds no regular American cups, and the hold fluttered at 110mph and higher.

Wow, I can't believe that not only did they NOT fix anything, they've gone downhill to fluttering at highway speeds...

Conan > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:09

At 45k I'd rather give the extra 7 for a GT350.

Variance > Boss2452stolemylunchmoney
03/08/2015 at 15:11

It's my understanding that Ford actually set the previous-generation Boss as one of the benchmarks for the new GT, and that the new car actually is quicker.

66Impalahardtop > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:11

Kinja'd!!!

lacks chrome trim

eef > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:12

Thanks for sharing this. As someone who still drives a 2006 GT bought in 2005 as a 16th birthday present, I can (unfortunately) relate in every single way. When that car was new, it was the hottest thing around. Now? I hate driving it every second I'm in it. Uncomfortable, loud, painfully outdated tech, and cheapness all around.

It's interesting to see how although it is new, to you it still feels the same. I haven't been in a '15, but I can tell you that I will be in the market soon, and these are not even remotely a consideration. Continuing a suburb-to-downtown commute in a plastic filled rwd hot rod? I think I'd rather go ahead and be shot.

always knew it'd come to this > TopSirloin
03/08/2015 at 15:13

I paid $43K for my 2015 Mustang. The basic math was this — for that price I could either get a fully-loaded Mustang, or a relatively spartan S3 or M235i. I plan on keeping the car for a while, so I wanted to avoid German-car repair headaches. Plus, buy naturally aspirated performance cars while you can. My choice came down to the Mustang or Lexus RC-F, and I didn't feel like the Lexus added enough value to justify the extra $20K.

Beav > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:14

I call bull shit on his 2007 Mustang price, ($24K )a fully optioned 2007 GT would be around $30,000 when it was new.

66Impalahardtop > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:17

I really want to like the 2015 Mustangs, and as the owner of a 2002 Mustang GT, I realize how vastly different the two really are.

Let's just state the obvious: it's too expensive, and too "refined" for its demographic.

Jason Pope > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:18

40k is pretty average for a mid level car these days.. The Camaros and Challengers are in the exact same range. this isnt 1987 anymore.. You want to play time to pony up and stop being cheap.

As for all those options you want to get rid of sounds like all you want is a stripped out no option car from the 1980s. Technology is what makes these cars awesome. And far from "worthless" the entertainment system in the Fords is among the best in the industry great sound great displays and amazing integration.

Sounds to me you are just getting old and arent the target for the Modern Muscle cars.. maybe find yourself a flat empty v6 to go with your old age and cane.

You want an exhaust youre also gonna pay for it. Ford can and will option a much louder exhaust if you want it.

Welcome to 2015.. technology and prices are up. get used to it.

always knew it'd come to this > JCAlan
03/08/2015 at 15:18

Those toggle switches are aluminum. Can't comment on the shifter since I got the automatic, but by reputation, the current Mustang manual shifter is known to be somewhat fragile while the automatic is bulletproof (drag guys put down 900 whp with nothing but a new torque converter).

66Impalahardtop > gergey - Wishes vette was Datsun
03/08/2015 at 15:19

02 GT owner here, mines does the same. Almost to the point of me fearing eating metal.

Tyin > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
03/08/2015 at 15:19

I've never understood the hate for My Ford Touch. My wife had a fully loaded 2012 Fusion Titanium rental car for a few weeks and I never had a single issue with it. I actually liked it quite a bit.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Tyin
03/08/2015 at 15:20

I think it's actually quite good, I was mainly talking about design elements like he was above. He said it looked horrendous, and there is a new MYFT replacement called Sync 3 rolling out soon.

always knew it'd come to this > 66Impalahardtop
03/08/2015 at 15:21

Chrome only comes in the 50th Anniversary Appearance Package (which I have).

RichardFRS > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:22

Nobody, but nobody is doing the review that Ford doesn't want you to see- how does the 2015 Ecoboost stack up against the 2014 V-6. Somehow the new Mustang gained 300 pounds. Huh. So how bad is a 2012 plus era live rear axle vs a 300 pound heavier suspension?

The V-6 loses on torque.. but hey.. it DOESNT NEED PREMIUM GAS. Around here, that adds up every week at the pump.

Around 2:00 time, this American Muscle video has a rather embarrassing moment at the track- in baseline testing the Ecoboost shows well behind an earlier V-6 Mustang at the 1/4 mile track.

I think there are deals on 2012 mustangs about to come up.. and I wants a Boss.

Ted O > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:22

Just sat in a 15 for the first time yesterday and actually had quite a different perspective.

Looks are subjective but I really like the exterior but admit that some colours look much better. Interior was a major step up from the last stang I was in so I'm surprised at your perceptions. I have a 981 Boxster for reference and really thought the stang interior really held its own especially for the price point. Seating position was great and the seats felt really good. The car was a 302 with performance and premium packs btw. I agree on doing away with the bells and whistles. I'm actually excited to drive it and wonder what the 350gt will be like.

Your point about it being easily modded is a selling point to me. And just for transparency I am one of those incurable motorheads who does cross shop M4's, 981's, M2's etc with a Stang, Camaro, BRZ, etc. I'm old enough where the main attraction is fun and I've depreciated enough cars to wonder what the hell I'm doing!

KnowNothingKnowItAll > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:22

Car already looks cheap and dated

E39Geek > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:23

Kinja'd!!!

Eh, the plastic bits will eventually die but as I've learned with other (more elderly) cars, someone with a piece of aluminum and some CNC time can make you a new, metal, piece that will last longer than the car. The Mustang has a large following and I'd bet lunch that within three years of this remodel someone will have made some real metal flavor of these switches. The ability for regular folk to turn out improved replacement parts for areas that suffered cost-cutting reasons has really grown in the past decade or so.

That said, these things really feel cheap. I went down to the local Ford dealer when the 2015s came in and got to spend some quality time in a new Mustang. Yes, these little doo-dads were cheap but the shifter (what I really cared about) seemed like a precision device. No wobbly, sloppy slots to miss, very short throw and felt like it would be there for a while.

Thundar The Ork > 66Impalahardtop
03/08/2015 at 15:26

Chrome is like the worst. I avoid it at all costs.

Ted O > RedPir8Roberts
03/08/2015 at 15:26

I don't think the shocks are adjustable like a a PASM. Doesn't it just adjust steering weight as well as throttle response and the stability nannies?

fivepointnine > Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/08/2015 at 15:27

The V6 8spd Genesis coupe is a very very quick car, right around 5 seconds flat to 60, build quality is top notch, ride is not too bad, the Hyundai Navigation system on mine is very easy to use even without looking at the manual, and I dont think you would be paying more than 35k (after incentives) for every option in the book. (I absolutely love mine, one of the best car buying choices I ever made, and I have owned over 30 cars/trucks/SUV's)

Ted O > R W
03/08/2015 at 15:27

lol that's gotta hurt even a little bit

Christopher Winslow > gergey - Wishes vette was Datsun
03/08/2015 at 15:28

My 2008 Mini Cooper (not the S) does the same thing at highway speeds. It is not noticeable now that I have Rally Lights on the front.

Flat Six > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:29

Great writeup! I like the new mustang, although the front looks too much like a Fusion, compared to the cool retro fifth gen. There are some good reasons why somebody would pay $40k+ for a Mustang:

They are sentimental longtime Mustang fans who have more money than when they were young but the same tastes

They have money, but an imported car would be too ostentatious for their coworkers, family, neighborhood, etc...

They are cross shopping German cars like BMW 2 series and have an idea for how much they want to spend. Getting a V8 for only $40k starts to look like a really good deal.

Delling-quent > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:31

Or if you want you can be a shameless cunt and crowd source your down payement after not being able to afford 2 other cars that are in the same price range. While operating a somewhat sucessfull youtube channel. Yeah theres an idea for you. Tell me im not the only one that thinks there is something out of place with this guy.

427SOHC > Boss2452stolemylunchmoney
03/08/2015 at 15:32

Unfortunately thats not the case. I have BOSS 302 LS. The 2015 GT is significantly faster around Sears Point.

Kinja'd Again > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:32

I would take a Mustang GT over basically all other muscle cars because it has so much potential. I think I actually want one now so I can bring it to Hennessey and make it ridiculous.

Cloud Strata > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:33

It's ford. Almost never is the first styling upgrade on new underpinnings the most agressive. IT's nice.. next one will likely be intimidating. Right now the Dodge Challenger is beast looks wise.

Torque Affair > Flat Six
03/08/2015 at 15:33

Yes it does look like a Fusion! Thanks for the compliment and you brought up some great points!

Torque Affair > Cloud Strata
03/08/2015 at 15:34

I LOVE the way the new challenger looks

Headphoto > gergey - Wishes vette was Datsun
03/08/2015 at 15:35

Maybe try adjusting it? My 03 350z hood doesn't flutter, even a little bit, at triple digit speeds.

Goatsausage > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:35

Gripes about $45k is justified but that was the cost of the 2014 fully loaded as well. I know i spec'd one out at the dealer personally. And as far as making a direct comparison to say a lex or bmw your surely wrong. your simply not getting those cars at that price either. (and we're talking about NEW cars here) In fact you can windup doubling the price of a lexus or bmw from options alone!. yes the mustang has gone up in price, but it already went up in 2012. Your talking an 6 year difference!. I bought new, still own and still drive a 1996 s281 Saleen Speedster Mustang (collectible obviously). It took Ford 17 years to match its performance and driving characteristics with there last boss 302. 17 years!!!. To simply make proper changes to the suspension steering and frame stiffening. And so much fuss was made over ford neutralizing the LRA, when saleen did that back in 1994!. Now the talk is about how the 2015 car handles just about as good as the boss 302. Trust me when i say Ford has some serious issues when it comes to mustang, personally if i were in charge i wouldve long ago fired all the head execs involved with mustang. 2015 mustang is really what shouldve replaced sn95 (05 retro). Ford has a long habbit of doing little more than cosmetic changes and calling it all new. For the most part 2015 is somewhat all new, at least the parts that matter. But make no mistake it is a mustang. And mustangs are by design simplistic cars. Thats why theyre loved, anyone can work and modify them. thats half there point, either you do it yourself or you get it predone via a Shelby Saleen Roush what have you.. as for Stock Factory 2015 is a step up from 2014 but its not the leap it shouldve been like the corvette C7 is in comparison to the C6. 2015 is a great mustang and its overall quality has improved, but thats only because they were forced too, not because they wanted too. They didnt want to switch to IRS, and in doing so they were forced to upgrade the front suspension. They were called out on Topgear for using far too much cheap plastics same with corvette. They knew they had to address those issues with there plans on selling overseas. ya see. Fords problem is that there senior execs sit around patting themselves on the back for lack luster performance, when they shouldve had enough pride in the product to want to make a better car, not be forced too. will people buy a $45k mustang, it is a better car but more importantly its still alota bang for the buck considering how much other cars of equal performance cost, in a time when everything is expensive. As for inflation.. 1988 mustang gt5.0 $15K. 1996 $24K 2005 $32K

Torque Affair > E39Geek
03/08/2015 at 15:36

You're right the shifter was actually really great. And great point about the aftermarket Mustang community - lots of options out there.

Cloud Strata > Tim (Fractal Footwork)
03/08/2015 at 15:37

Hyundai is the only foreign model i'd consider right now. No major recalls or parts issues, amazing warrantee support. Back in 2001 my friends 1999 Tiburon was in an accident, they gave him a loaner and door to door service... Hyundai is the way car companies need to look at the business. If they keep respecting customers like that, they will be number one in sales some day, surely they make amazing cars for those who try them out. Yes, Genesis is on my drool list style wise too, notice how the new Impala looks, i'm actually torn, lol. How's the interior?>

v8RWD4doorSTICK > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:39

im actually thinking abour buying one. It would be a "base" premium because i want the cooled seats. I owned a 12 5.0 and couldnt get over the choppiness going over bumps and the unpredictability of the sold rear when things got bumpy. I likee the car and it seems they fixed the suspension issue and added cooled seats.

So invoice pricing and rebates get it down to 33k...not a bad price for what you get

Torque Affair > RichardFRS
03/08/2015 at 15:40

The Boss does look awesome but looks like the value is holding up pretty well on it.

Kaufmania: Mark Webber's Stunt Double > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:41

How much has the mustang improved since '07.

Here is your answer.

Kinja'd!!!

It's this damn good. (and this is the best picture taken of any new mustang - hands down - I did that shit!)

Kinja'd!!!

I see Aston Martin Vanquish & Maserati. For $36,000, that ain't a bad deal at all. And then I drove it and HOLY FUCK ITS FANTASTIC!!!

Kinja'd!!!

Took these yesterday when my buddy had his delivered. That was a brand new blue ST in the back that I was going to take also but a bunch of fucking ricers bought it literally 5 mins before me. $25,000, AFTER tax title, destination etc.... There should be laws against this like that.

Kinja'd!!!

That's 1964 & 1/2 Ford.

Kinja'd!!!

Torque Affair > Ted O
03/08/2015 at 15:43

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The seats are really good actually.

Out of all the cars you've owned which one have you liked the best? I'm interested in the BRZ actually - if only it had more power!

Kaufmania: Mark Webber's Stunt Double > 66Impalahardtop
03/08/2015 at 15:44

DON'T TOUCH THE TRIM!!!

Torque Affair > eef
03/08/2015 at 15:46

Haha...you know I would say give it a shot. This was just my opinion but you might end up liking it!

SquirrelyWrath > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:47

Finally someone said it. Why do we live in a world where muscle cars cost as much as BMW M3s and Mercedes (insert alphabet soup here)? To hell with Germany. Make the Mustang handle. Make it fast and reliable. But keep the blasted thing simple. The kind of people that will shell out 45 large for a Mustang are buying the classics at Mecum Auctions anyway. But that seems like the point of these new ones to. To pilfer the nostalgia of the baby boomer generation one last time before they are gone. I mean it's not like millennials are buying cars anyway right? *headdesk* Muscle cars have gotten so pretentious.

Boss2452stolemylunchmoney > Variance
03/08/2015 at 15:48

That's the rumor, but have you seen the back-back comparison?

ElJefe5ohGT > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:48

I've got a '13 GT and I don't have any of the issues that you're mentioning in your 8 year old Mustang. The entire car is rock solid, inside and out, and I've never had the rear axle get sketchy on me while going over bumps at reasonable speeds. I haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet, but I've sat in the new 2015 GT and they feel like they're even more solid than their predecessors.

I think the bottom line here is that you went to Ford expecting to hate the new Mustang, because you hate your Mustang, and "Surprise!" you don't like it.

Considering the price, Ford's MSRP always seems super high compared to the out-the-door price. I think I ended up paying 33k for my GT premium with Ford Racing "Power Pack" (K&N filter, Ford Racing Tune, and Ford racing x pipe and axelbacks). You just have to wait for their incentives to hit.

Art > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:49

I think the issue here is that you paid too much for your car do to the type of loan you had. A friend of mine did the same thing and at the end if the day he will probably end up paying close to 40k for his car, fees, and interested included. Now when it comes to the 2015 Mustang well a loaded GT is close to 45k for those that cannot wait to buy one they will go ahead and pay stupid figures to have one. My dealer has 5-10k markups on most of the loaded Mustangs. I myselft got a 2012 Fully loaded Mustang GT with the track pack option. It was originally listed for 42k when new. I got my car for 24k with only 15k miles back in 2013. When all its said and done I will end up paying 30k with taxes and interest into the equation. Currently I owe 22k and the car is worth 22k so if I ever want to sell my car I will be OK. This means that if I ever want to sell it and buy something else I will go for a similar deal that way I owe what my car is actually worth. Once I have good credit buying a brand new Mustang is not going to be an issue as long as I get a loan with zero interest and no mark up fees. So buying a car for 40k minus rebates, will means that I will be buying a 40k car and pay 40k not 55k. With that being said I am trying to pay as much as I can and eventually buy myselft a Shelby GT350 even if I have to buy it used. The only difference between you and I is that you bought the Mustang because you wanted a new car. I bought a Mustang because I am a Mustang enthusiast so buying new was not really my main goal, my main goal was to buy the best Mustang I could find within the budget I am able to afford which at the time was 30k wit all fees and interest included.

Torque Affair > TimeOnTarget
03/08/2015 at 15:49

My gas tank doesn't fill either! Wonder if the new one has the same problem.

bryan40oop > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:49

"There are definite improvements but it still felt quite a bit like what I currently drive which is just a much older, tired, worn out and less sophisticated version of the 2015 pony. You could say it's like comparing an iPhone 6 to an iPhone 3 - numerous upgrades and such - but it's essentially the same thing."

...well.... It's a pony car. You can't expect them to build a 911 type of car and call it a mustang. Certain attributes well always remain with the mustang unless there see drastic changes required. Big v8, rwd, cheap, 2 door, 2 1/2 seats, etc etc. If any of these were to change it would no longer be a mustang, something else entirely.

And yes I do find the prices obscene, but they're no different than any other make. But I think me and you sorta have the same view as far as that goes. Take pick ups, I see them as cheap work horses. But, the mustang much like the full size truck market has found a niche for a new kind of luxo barge. Maybe it's because people can no longer afford a well equipped commuter and a toy. Need one vehicle to do both.

Boss2452stolemylunchmoney > 427SOHC
03/08/2015 at 15:50

I still have my doubts that same driver, same tire would net the heavier, less powerful '15 GT a better time. Unless that new front suspension really gets more of the front tire active during cornering, that is.

Torque Affair > Conan
03/08/2015 at 15:50

Completely forgot about that but yes! It's only $54K which seems like a steal.

QCGoose > 66Impalahardtop
03/08/2015 at 15:51

Thank. God.

Art > Boss2452stolemylunchmoney
03/08/2015 at 15:51

if you mean in a straight line then yeah the Boss is faster. Around a track the performance option 2015 GT is actually quicker. I however will take a Boss 302 over a 2015 GT any day. The GT350 coming in 2016 that's a totally different animal, one which I am hoping to be able to afford and tame in the near future.

Art > JCAlan
03/08/2015 at 15:53

Those toggle switches are in fact made out of aluminum and not cheap plastic. At least that's what I read about them.

Torque Affair > bryan40oop
03/08/2015 at 15:54

Well the thing is that it appears though Ford is trying to step it up and have the Mustang be more than a cheap muscle car which is fine! It's certainly priced like a premium car - they just could've done some things on the interior to make it feel more refined.

Art > Darigaaz
03/08/2015 at 15:54

back in 2005 the 4.6 Mustang engine was award winning. Like I said that was back in 2005.

AeroStang > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:54

On Where is the v6 love? The 6 is the cheapest, more so proven then the 4, comparable for performance, and one doesn't even have to bother with stupid baubbles- it doesn't come with any :) As a 2012 owner, and a fan of good CARS, not companies, I can say this has some issues. The auto box is fine for an auto- but the paddle shifters need to be removed, and piled on top of the person who approved the final system. Be it the tranny or the software, it is enraging to try to deal with. Maybe a tune will fix, maybe not- I don't tune my cars, but I also don't drive automatics. The 4s exhaust is often judged by the sound. I find that hard to believe, because when driving the 15, WOT, radio at 0, windows down or up, there is no sound to it. I hear nothing. Smaller little stuff- they took away the locking center console, and put the lock on the glove box- bull crap. The locked stuff of mine goes next to me, not all the way across the car, where my paperwork should go. I'd rather someone steal my insurance information than a Glock, an ipod, and my favorite Will Smith CD. Further, wtf did they do to the rear seats?!?! I LOVE being able to fold the head rests now. Not only have they reduced visibility with that rediculous rear end, the head rests don't go down. I have to stop now, Kindja is getting all glitchy on my device and randomly jumping to different areas as I type. I'm sorry, but from the 2012, they have done more harm than good.

Torque Affair > ElJefe5ohGT
03/08/2015 at 15:55

Yeah, possibly. It's probably too early for the new Mustangs to have great incentives but they might be coming soon!

Chris11LE > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:55

Kinja'd!!!

I think if they just carried the flat all the way across it would be much nicer (I know, they need a place for license plate but the cutout is way too big for one now)

Torque Affair > Sheriff Of American Douchetown
03/08/2015 at 15:57

Thanks for the compliment! Much appreciated!

300hp30mpgrwdfor30k > eef
03/08/2015 at 15:57

I was looking at the '15 Mustangs as well, came to the same conclusion, and bought a really nice used Lexus IS350. I later had a rental '14 Stang V6, and while it was really cool in some ways I still feel I made the right choice. I don't know if the '15's interior will degrade the same as a '14 rental one's would, but I think I'll let some else figure that out and buy it used later for less.

Ufnavy06 > Boss2452stolemylunchmoney
03/08/2015 at 15:58

I saw a CO GT in the showroom of my local dealer. More than my CO/B Boss. Not faster. Not more rewarding to drive. More stuff to break. And not a Boss 302. But the GT350.....

*dead*

Tareim - V8 powered > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 15:59

Kinja'd!!!

I definitely prefer the newer 'stang's rear end

Ufnavy06 > gergey - Wishes vette was Datsun
03/08/2015 at 15:59

Hood pins. They belong on classic Mustangs. Current ones.....ehhhhh.

Ufnavy06 > citizennick
03/08/2015 at 16:00

And it'll still have a horrible interior that you can't see anything out of.

Torque Affair > gergey - Wishes vette was Datsun
03/08/2015 at 16:00

Interesting!

300hp30mpgrwdfor30k > Cloud Strata
03/08/2015 at 16:01

Love the Challenger's looks, but like the '15 Mustamg's looks for different reasons. Mustang looks really sleek while Challenger looks like a 60's bruiser. I love the sleek, more refined look and I hope they don't try so hard to make it look angry that they mess it up.

blueskyshining > Torque Affair
03/08/2015 at 16:01

why the cost? well someone has to pay those old foggies pensions

Soloburrito > ElJefe5ohGT
03/08/2015 at 16:01

I have a '13 gt too and it happens to me. That's just how live axles are. Key is you need to apply power while going over bumpy road or hit bumps at decent speed while turning. We're talking about spirited driving. Puttering around town it's fine.

Ufnavy06 > E39Geek
03/08/2015 at 16:02

Ford did a good job with the shifter when they designed the Boss. Glad to hear it has carried over to the new models.

Vapor > Kinja'd Again
03/08/2015 at 16:02

you like those weak engines with weak parts?

how is that potential

oh if you replace everything, you could make a good car, except for the weak frame

Torque Affair > 66Impalahardtop
03/08/2015 at 16:02

It's targeting a different market now which is fine and I think Ford can do it - probably a few years away though.

citizennick > Ufnavy06
03/08/2015 at 16:02

oh I'm sure the next interior will be a nice upgrade. The interior (and size) were the biggest complaints on these cars, so I'm hoping for something C7esque.

TopSirloin > always knew it'd come to this
03/08/2015 at 16:02

I see what you're saying, and I think I'd have chosen similarly considering what you get for your money. I guess what was getting at, is for people shopping for cars north of $40k, a Mustang isn't on their list. While the Mustang may justify it's spot in that price bracket, it's still the black sheep that requires the purchaser to do the explaining. "A Mustang? for $43k?" —- "Yeah, it's loaded to the teeth and has everything I need and more, and is a helluva blast to drive". Then they see why you spent that kind of dough on a Mustang.. but it's not assumed like it is with the S3 or M235i. Like he said, some of spending that much money on a car is a status thing. At a glance, you don't get to show off your Jr. Eff-You money the way you can in the baby Audi or Msport BMW.

The RC-F sounds like a flaming hot shit pile to drive. Dodged a bullet there methinks.

blackjack666 > R W
03/08/2015 at 16:03

Absolutely agree. It baffles me how someone thinks they can get a proper new sports/muscle car for the price of a compact car. In what world of they live? I'd love to join.

Even fully loaded this Mustang costs just as much as a minivan. Granted not everyone likes cooled seats in theirs but it's still awesome you can get the.

I'm a Porsche/Mercedes guy but even I think this Mustang looks damn awesome.

Art > ElJefe5ohGT
03/08/2015 at 16:03

Same here I have a 2012 Mustang GT track pack fully loaded and its also rock solid. It also handles great and firm. The seats might need a bit more back cushioning and unlike your car mine is missing the track apps. Other than that I love my Mustang. The main reason I got a 2012 was because of the 5.0 liter coyote engine. I bought my Mustang used though. I try buying a new one but do to my credit, buying new didn't make sense. This was back in 2013.

Torque Affair > blueskyshining
03/08/2015 at 16:05

lol